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Post by merigastic on Apr 9, 2003 15:40:23 GMT -5
Also, for those of you who are just innately against war, regardless of the reasons, please suggest some plausible alternatives for improving the well being of Iraq's population. Because I have yet to hear one.
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Post by merigastic on Apr 9, 2003 15:44:42 GMT -5
also when i mentioned stuggles earlier i was refering to stuggles between countries of the middle east, our war, although it will consume human life will hopefully eventually instill our beliefs of religious tolerance that above all values human life not loyalty to some ridiculous religion - if you can't tell i am extremely against organized religion because of its brainwashing capabilities
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Post by the(m)ars(v)oltasucks on Apr 9, 2003 18:17:19 GMT -5
I'm sorry but i have to respond, you say you are looking for conservative points of view - well here is one. The war is the best thing we could have possibly done. It is sad that American lives must be sacrificed, but regardless of Bush's or any of the government's motives (because we will never really know what is truly behind the war), a ridiculously cruel, unjust, and insane ruler will be removed from power. Although i don't believe that whatever government we institute, after the war is over, will necessarily work out like we plan, I am 100% sure that it will provide at least some sort of increase in the general well being of the civilians. There is no middle class there like we have in America or Europe, the VAST majority live in poverty and have been brainwashed by a religion that has taught them that their religion is more important than their own lives and family. Don't you remember the religious wars of Europe in our textbooks? Do you really wish for those kinds of struggles and that mindset to consume more human life. I don't, and i believe that this war is a good starting point in the process of changing their pitiful state. I truly feel sorry for them and hope that this war can help them. ahhhh!! - intelligence..... i'm scared good point
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Post by berimbao il sinistro on Apr 10, 2003 9:58:26 GMT -5
you know shit about their lives, basically how come you can tell whats good for them, or if they want to live like you do? Theyre not poor precisely because of their religion, either. Poverty in third world countries is a simple mechanism: corrupt leaders favour first world companies who exploit the countries resources and workforce. What do you think is going to happen now in Iraq? They will be cheering when theyll have to work 16 hours a day in a Nike maquiladora for less than a dollar daily? what middle class you talking about Perhaps none of this will happen. Arbusto will pump out all the oil in two years and leave
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Post by hysteresis on Apr 10, 2003 11:12:09 GMT -5
I'm really impressed by the precision bombing. italy.indymedia.org/news/2003/04/250458.phphowever, the war on afghanistan was probably worse, with the bombed immigrants, weddings and whatnot. can't we just shut up about the war now?
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Post by merigastic on Apr 10, 2003 11:46:57 GMT -5
berimbao il sinistro please give me a plausible alternative for war that will prevent saddam from killing and torturing more of his own people.
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Post by berimbao il sinistro on Apr 10, 2003 13:40:25 GMT -5
What is this a joke?
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Post by jimbob on Apr 10, 2003 13:47:03 GMT -5
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Post by hysteresis on Apr 10, 2003 13:52:34 GMT -5
hm. is themormonsband.com a standing joke or something?
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Post by triumph on Apr 11, 2003 1:36:50 GMT -5
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Post by White Mosrite on Apr 11, 2003 1:46:30 GMT -5
man i have never read this thread before i dont think
i didnt know it was a war thread in disguise. . . . . . . . .
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Post by triumph on Apr 11, 2003 7:02:12 GMT -5
what did you think it was?
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Post by slobbo on Apr 11, 2003 9:56:23 GMT -5
Also, for those of you who are just innately against war, regardless of the reasons, please suggest some plausible alternatives for improving the well being of Iraq's population. Because I have yet to hear one. it is not our responsibility to improve the quality of life in iraq. why do we get to intervene with whatever countries we want, whenever we want to? its not right. i also think, i know its a cliche but its the truth, that the usa decided to focus on iraq, not one of the countless other fucked up countries(Some of which have dictatators installed by the cia) because of the oil there. thats not right either, its just greed.
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Post by merigastic on Apr 13, 2003 0:33:18 GMT -5
yeah good job avoiding the question
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Post by der führer on Apr 13, 2003 0:50:44 GMT -5
merigastic, the main problem people have with the USA is not if we go to war or not, it is the fact that the USA is so quick to pull the trigger and completely bypass the UN. Do you know what this looks like to the entire world community? This shows that any nation can make up some bullshit story about terrorism to reinstate a puppet government in any country they see fit. If the USA is in this for the sole purpose of liberating the Iraqi people from the rule of Saddam, why is it that we are having corporations bid to reconstruct Iraq(doesn't it seem odd that Cheney's old company Haliburton won the bid as well)? Why not a government-funded humanitarian relief program? So far this 'war' has been nothing but to attract attention away from the terrible job junior is doing on domestic and economic issues. It is all smoke and mirrors in the name of private interest, the public will know nothing for another year or so when the real story comes out.
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